Afghan 'We have absolutely no reason to give up'

[Durgan]

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'We have absolutely no reason to give up'
GRAEME SMITH From Saturday's Globe and Mail Kandahar city planners pursue the "dream

GRAEME SMITH, hack article? Apparently this fits in with the CPC new approach to spin the "Mission to Afghanistan".
It is nice to see taxpayers 76K put to good use.

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To sell Canada on war, try `hope' but not `liberty'
Focus groups advised Harper not to echo Bush
Feb 17, 2007 04:30 AM
ALLAN WOODS
OTTAWA BUREAU

Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver. You? I ponder what Graeme Smith was paid?
Durgan.

[sasquatch]

By your recommendations the US should have given up December 8, 1941.
Britain should have sued for Peace after Dunkirk.
Britain should have abandoned North Africa after the fall of Tobrok.
The Battle of the Bulge should have ended the War in Europe.
Defeatest mentality is not new....with it go restrictions to operations to guarantee defeat.....that is the lefty way.

Good luck with your KYOTO thing.

[Durgan]

What a inane post. I will reply to you silly comments only this one time, unless you start saying something reasonably intelligent.

Only a very silly person flogs a dead horse. Afghanistan is a very serious matter. Obviously you knowledge of the subject is severely limited. There has been nothing reported about this mission of substance except jingoism. Canada has spent from 2 to 5 billion on this Mission.

There has been no progress reports that stand even the most perfunctory scrutiny. If you cannot post anything of substance then desist.

My minor remark implied do something meaningful and constructive, or get the hell out of the theater. I might add 2000 troops is as effective in Afghanistan as trying to raise the level of the ocean by pissing off PEI bridge.

Durgan.

[sasquatch]

Due to the fact I spent 3 years in afganistan during the 80's..it would appear that my knowledge of that area is miniscule compared to some lefty in an armchair.
That is not an insult because you know it is true.

BTW. there is an old rule...don't draw on a stranger....I am Jihadi...

[Durgan]

After 9/11, we the West, particularly the US needed revenge. I say we got that. The rebuilding effort is a pipe dream, as have most efforts to rebuild any society. May I mention, Gaza, Belgium Congo, Somalia, Haiti, and now Afghanistan. At best we can put a thug government in power and leave. Eventually after many years the people will sort out their country in their own way.

I have posted many links primarily for background information. Two stand out; namely, Lord Roberts of Kandahar in 1885, and CIA fact sheet describing the country. The people are fundamentally the same that General Roberts was dealing with in 1885. Little has changed except in some urban centers.

The present government is a puppet regime laced with Taliban. The people in large are fanatical Muslims. No law can be passed in Afghanistan that conflicts with the Koran. Shiah Law is the law of the land. Illiteracy is around 50% for the whole population. The majority of the population live in the countryside in a manner that they have done so for centuries.

My thrust all along has been define what exactly what we hope to achieve without the pathos. Empty rhetoric without delineating realistic attainable goes leads nowhere, and does a disservice to both Canada and the Afghanistan people.

Certainly other NATO countries are not happy with this mission. I might also add the 2000 Canadian troops in Afghanistan are so insignificant that they might as well not be there. The effect in the overall picture is similar to Mother Thersa trying to eliminate poverty in India. The overall result was zero. Good intentions do not make effective policy.

Durgan.

[ladybug]

durgan said:

After 9/11, we the West, particularly the US needed revenge. I say we got that.

3200 Americans have died in Iraq getting revenge for the 2800 Americans that died 9/11, that Iraq had nothing to do with.

[Durgan]

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We will have to talk sooner or later or expand the Mission into Pakistan, then talk sooner or later. I prefer sooner-even if the message we will make a Democracy even if we have to kill every one of you. There are lots of arm chair heroes who will cheer you on.

Durgan.


Posted AT 5:17 PM EST ON 01/03/07


Talk to the Taliban, experts urge
TENILLE BONOGUORE

Globe and Mail Update

paul gill from vancouver, Canada writes: We need to "talk" to the Taliban, whether we like it or not (remember that diplomacy is about talking to your adversaries, not your friends). These people are prepared to kill and die for their beliefs, and that means a whole lot of killin' and dyin' until we finally get run out of there (recall: they live there, and we don't; we have a place to withdraw to, and they don't. We will ultimately leave, and they won't). I am not a supporter of the Taliban, but only a deluded idiot can believe that our expedition to Afghanistan (constituted in its present terms) is going to result in success (EVERY metric currently indicates otherwise). What the Taliban are trying to accomplish is the creation of an Islamic nation that is not unlike the northern areas of Pakistan; hardly a utopia, but then I don't see us bombing the bejeezus out of northern Pakistan, either. We WILL end up talking to the Taliban, just as we WILL end up talking to the Iranians, the North Koreans, the Syrians (and yes, the Pakistanis) who hold the keys to peaceful coexistance. We have done it before (the Khmer Rouge, the Vietnamese, the Serbians, the Russians, the Chinese........). None of the foregoing can be described as our friends, however we got around to talking to each of them (and relative peace ensued) when we got tired of the killin' and the dyin'. A lot of people on this board are still full of fight, but that is easy, sitting in your living rooms and typing rah rah b.s. between rounds of Frito Lays and Old Milwaukees. And if you really believe that the Taliban threaten your way of life (or that they even give a damn about Canada) then you'd best go hide under your bed 'cause the bogey man is going to get you long before the Taliban does.

[sasquatch]

Durgen
Talk to the Taliban, experts urge

I saw the killing fields of Cambodia----nobody has yet to talk with the Kymer Rouge.

You mean experts like Taliban Jack and his ilk....who think they can tax canada into prosperity?

Or are you referring to the scribes who confuse debts and deficits?

X = an unknown quantity
spurt = a drip under pressure

[ladybug]

[quote author=sasquatch board=canadian thread=1172447408 We had 18 wanna-be's in one arrested terrorist plot....here in Canada.
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You mean the plot to chop off Harpers head?
Wasnt that the same plot where the people who were planning (?) bad things were not able to obtain any explosive material so the RCMP or whoever supplied it to them instead?

[sasquatch]

ladybug
You mean the plot to chop off Harpers head?
Wasnt that the same plot where the people who were planning (?) bad things were not able to obtain any explosive material so the RCMP or whoever supplied it to them instead?

I assume your post does not imply that this plot was not real.

[ladybug]

[quote author=sasquatch board=canadian thread=1172447408 p
I assume your post does not imply that this plot was not real.
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[sasquatch]

The very notion that the Terrorists cannot be defeated is pure humbug.

The Brits destroyed the malayan communists, The USSR imploded, the mongols destroyed the assassins.

All these were deemed undefeatable.

The Taliban are losing ground. They are losing the hearts and minds everytime they blow somebody up.