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Post by evad54 on Mar 1, 2007 8:34:37 GMT -5
Nice place to visit for a week or two but Canada is the Greatest place on the planet to live.
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Post by ladybug on Mar 1, 2007 9:05:43 GMT -5
No kidding.Except I wouldnt even want to spend one hour in that violent country.Never mind a week
And when you live in the best area in the best province (BC)in the best country in the world you really feel no desire at all to go to the States
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 3, 2007 1:46:55 GMT -5
You have obviously been watching too much TV or else you believe the "new left" propaganda. While there are some dangerous places in US cities, the myth that Canada and Canadian cities is safer is a myth. Despite Cukier's and Michael Moores lies, per capita violent crime is much, much lower in the US. While home invasions are a frequent event here in Canada they have all but disappeared in most of the US....except New York, New York state, Chicago and the state of Illininois and California. Which all have firearms laws similar to Canada's. About 43 states have adopted "shall carry" laws....basically with no felony record, a brief safe firearms handling course...the authorities MUST issue you with a permit to carry a loaded firearm concealed. Detroit lost it's "murder city" lable after Mischigan went "shall carry." Washington DC now has that lable and very strict firearms laws.....separated from Virginia by a bridge. Virginia has low confrontational crime rate and liberal firearms laws.....about which DC whines bitterly. Myths die hard indeed. The two ANTI-gun lobbies in the US, Sara Bradey Foundation and Gun Control INC, both each have budgets which are multiples of the NRA. It may seem cool to make noises like Caroline Parish but really it just sounds ignorant and rude.  |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 3, 2007 8:47:31 GMT -5
Say what you want but the United States is a far more violent country than Canada.You have to look no farther than a city like Toronto with its on average 65-70 murders a year.Cities in the States ,like say Boston ( just the first one that came to mind)with less than half Torontos population have upwards to 200 plus murders a year.( I could pull out the exact figures but you know it is true) That is no myth. You know the figures also.In the States per 100,000 people ,the murder rate is 8 times higher . That is no lie The only lie here is the one saying violent crime is higher in Canada.You dont get much more violent than murder. Oh and for your info,in Canada,when they work out the crime rate,car theft is included,in the States,it is not. And then there is Detroit  |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 4, 2007 2:23:09 GMT -5
But it is a lie. Even the often quoted pre-1990's stats that Cukier et al represent as the current statis quo are not that high. These folks may be the source of your dillusions but regardless they ARE LIES. |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 4, 2007 10:06:11 GMT -5
But it is a lie. . These folks may be the source of your dillusions but regardless they ARE LIES. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh brother. It appears this forum has been infested with a bunch of fools. Goodbye to this forum But first here is another lie for you ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One more lie,these are the most recent figures for murder per 100,000 people in some of the more POPULAR American cities. If you want to embarres yourself,compare those figures to,like I said earlier,Toronto,the city right wingers refer to as such a dangerous place ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WELL Goodbye |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 4, 2007 17:20:00 GMT -5
It would appear that this poster is fleeing the scene knowing that the truth will drag the lie out into the critical light. Cherry picking data, without addressing the overall national rate is dishonest at best. All these high-crime urban centers have one the thing and one thing alone in common. That is Firearms laws which in some cases are more draconian than canada. It deliberately avoids those states (43 last count) which have adopted "shall carry legistlation. This cherry picking eliminates the benefit of the doubt.....that the previous statements were inocently repeating the lies of others. This process makes the poster the liar. Which is not name calling but expressing afounded opinion. |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 4, 2007 18:17:49 GMT -5
I Cherry picking data, without addressing the overall national rate is dishonest at best. . . National crime rate? I wont even bother to post links because I know you know the truth. Latest figures have Canadas murder rate at 1.9 per 100,000 people. United States, just under 10. That is not cherry picking.That is the national crime rate Now be a good boy and go read a book A science fiction |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 4, 2007 23:15:03 GMT -5
Welcome back! I have no doubt you know the truth as well. To produce links would subject them to destruction. A Sarah Brady Foundation favourite was a "study" they commissioned from an "academic" at Emery university, Atlanta. This study compared two identical cities---one in Canada one in the US. According to this study these cities were both port cities and absolutely identical except for the fire-arms laws. Seattle and Vancouver-----hardy identical---with vastly different demographics and cultural differences. The study concluded that Seattle was so dangerous because of the lack of fire-arms laws and vancouver so safe because of the canadian firearms laws. When this was peer-revued it was discovered the author had not published his data and when it was requested he refused.....It was discovered that the statistics then currently available represented an opposite reality and that specific stats were unavailable because at that time firesarms deaths were included with "wrongful deaths". In otherwords, regardless the cause, beating stabbing, strangulation or hit-and-run these number could not be distinguished from shootings. This essay is still trotted out by Sarah Brady Foundation as serious research and widely diseminated by Wendy Cukier's Coalition as well. This makes Michael Mann's discredited "hockey stick curve" appear respectable. |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 6, 2007 0:47:09 GMT -5
Moore gets taste of own medicine
Tony Allen-Mills, New York
March 05, 2007
THE hunter has become the hunted. Michael Moore, the celebrated left-wing filmmaker, has become the unwilling subject of a new documentary that raises damaging questions about the credibility of his work.
The director and star of successful documentaries such as Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore has repeatedly been accused by his right-wing enemies of distorting or manipulating the material in his films. On his website he dismisses his critics as "wacko attackos".
Yet the latest assault on Moore's filmmaking techniques has come from an unexpected quarter. In Manufacturing Dissent, a documentary to be shown for the first time at a Texas film festival on Saturday, a pair of left-wing Canadian filmmakers take Moore to task for what they describe as a disturbing pattern of fact-fudging and misrepresentation.
"When we started this project we hoped to have done a documentary that celebrated Michael Moore. We were admirers and fans," said Debbie Melnyk, who made the film with her husband, Rick Caine. "Then we found out certain facts about his documentaries that we hadn't known before."
When Caine and Melnyk began to follow Moore as part of their own documentary, their efforts to interview him met with the same kind of obstruction, denial and, ultimately, physical ejection that Moore had suffered when he tried to track down Roger Smith, the former chief executive of General Motors, for his first film, Roger & Me. It was in Flint, Michigan, Moore's former home town, that Caine and Melnyk made the first discovery that they say rocked their confidence in his approach. Roger & Me was a hugely successful account of what Moore portrayed as a fruitless task to force Mr Smith to answer questions about GM's policies in closing the car manufacturing plants that had long been Flint's economic lifeline.
Caine and Melnyk claim that Moore interviewed Mr Smith on camera twice. But the scenes were left on the cutting-room floor, apparently for greater dramatic effect.
Manufacturing Dissent includes a long catalogue of alleged exaggerations or distortions in several of Moore's films. In Bowling for Columbine, a scathing indictment of US gun violence, Moore visited Toronto to show parts of the city that were supposedly so free of crime everyone left their front doors unlocked.
"Michael makes it look as though 100 per cent of the doors were unlocked, but his local producer told us it was really only 40 per cent," said Caine.
Caine and Melnyk said they had hoped to interview Moore about his views on how much editing was acceptable before a factual documentary turned into misleading propaganda.
"We had met him at a premiere of the Columbine film in Toronto, and he said, 'Oh yes, talk to my people and they'll set something up'," said Caine. "We then called his people and they said he's not doing any more interviews in Toronto. We had his email, we sent a letter to his lawyers, we had his phone number in New York. But each time he said no."
Then Caine and Melnyk began to run into open hostility. Eventually, in a scene that might have come from Roger & Me, they were bundled out of an event where Moore's sister knocked aside Caine's camera.
But they insist they should not be confused with those who want to damage Moore.
"If you have to sell out your values and principles to get at a greater truth, where does that leave you?" said Melnyk. "If we think it's wrong for the Government to lie and manipulate, how do we think that (left-wingers) doing it is the solution?"
The Australian
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Post by antiyank on Mar 21, 2007 10:29:16 GMT -5
No kidding.Except I wouldn't even want to spend one hour in that violent country.Never mind a week And when you live in the best area in the best province (BC)in the best country in the world you really feel no desire at all to go to the States Now don't be so hard on the yanks. If you want to be mugged or robbed its a great place to visit. If you want to be labeled a RED NECK then its a great place to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 11:23:35 GMT -5
I have had no problem with our neighbour's to the south ( except Alaska ;D ) I even have relatives living there ... I don't agree with there political agendas , but the people as a whole , I find them friendly and helpful ..... of course it boils down to how you treat them !!!!
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 22, 2007 14:01:19 GMT -5
It is always the same. Every anti-american element be it the Hopophobes, the "new left", the KYOTO/UN world government clique, or Al Qaida have one thing in common----the very existance of the the USA is a threat to their agendas. |
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Post by proudtobeadp on Mar 23, 2007 1:08:48 GMT -5
I was born on an American military base but raised here in Canada and have experienced both sides of the border in so many ways I came to the conclusion some 2 decades ago that Canada sucks bigtime and it was a mistake to ever take up citizenship here. I prefer a constitution with its protections, rights, liberties and the right to bear arms in relation to Canada's repatraited gobbledegook which is little more than a right to be subjected to taxation without basic rights most fools seem to think lay within our socalled Charter of Rights and Freedoms etc.
Some might ask what is keeping me here then? Mu response is that I want to be around for the takeover if they do it or the vault over if we do it!
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Post by antiyank on Mar 23, 2007 5:21:23 GMT -5
I was born on an American military base but raised here in Canada and have experienced both sides of the border in so many ways I came to the conclusion some 2 decades ago that Canada sucks bigtime and it was a mistake to ever take up citizenship here. I prefer a constitution with its protections, rights, liberties and the right to bear arms in relation to Canada's repatraited(try spell checker yank) gobbledegook which is little more than a right to be subjected to taxation without basic rights most fools seem to think lay within our socalled Charter of Rights and Freedoms etc. Some might ask what is keeping me here then? Mu response is that I want to be around for the takeover if they do it or the vault over if we do it! Wow whatever you are smoking pass it around. Canada...better standard of life. Canada... better Health care. Canada... full of decent people who don't want to be a yank. Sure you have some warm states but because of global warming (which yankee doodle land is responsible for) we will be getting more warm weather each winter so we won't have to head to Red Neck USA |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2007 7:41:53 GMT -5
I agree 100% , so much has been taken away ....H*LL we don't even own our own land anymore !!!! thanxs to Trudeau , lieing , cheating , scum-bug !!!
Maybe his Son , who's in polictics now , will GIVE back our land and the right to DEFEND it ....
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 23, 2007 11:14:27 GMT -5
Another fool who worships the UN and seeks to have us ruled by the presidents for life of Upper and Lower butt***k Africa. In that the current cycle of warmings and coolings has been detected back 1,000,000 years, unless the USA has discovered time travel...it is as foolish to blame the USA for our warmings as it is to credit the USA for the rising of the sun. Your village is calling you............ |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 23, 2007 19:22:37 GMT -5
Another fool who worships the UN and seeks to have us ruled by the presidents for life of Upper and Lower butt***k Africa. In that the current cycle of warmings and coolings has been detected back 1,000,000 years, . I'll answer that one. No its not. Personally, I cant imagine how anyone can defend the United States of Violence for anything. Especially with that child killer moron as a prez. If the world can stay calm for the next two years until that moron is gone, then maybe, just maybe there is hope. But then, there is still Harper to deal with |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 24, 2007 0:03:38 GMT -5
Explain that with proof not shrill baseless, lefty opinions and slogans. Your village is calling you too. |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 24, 2007 16:23:17 GMT -5
Dream on...like father like son... Harper's crowd are our only salvation from the control freaks.... |
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Post by antiyank on Mar 26, 2007 7:07:12 GMT -5
Another fool who worships the UN and seeks to have us ruled by the presidents for life of Upper and Lower butt***k Africa. In that the current cycle of warmings and coolings has been detected back 1,000,000 years, . I'll answer that one. No its not. Personally, I cant imagine how anyone can defend the United States of Violence for anything. Especially with that child killer moron as a prez. If the world can stay calm for the next two years until that moron is gone, then maybe, just maybe there is hope. But then, there is still Harper to deal with Lets hope the next moron aint Hillery then everyone will be in sh*t |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 26, 2007 19:52:52 GMT -5
Explain that with proof not shrill baseless, lefty opinions and slogans. March 25th, 2007 6:25 pm 2 bombs kill 5 U.S. soliders in Iraq By Kim Gamel / Associated Press BAGHDAD - Roadside bombs killed five U.S. soldiers in Iraq Sunday, including four in a single strike in a volatile province northeast of the capital, the military said. In Baghdad, gunmen on rooftops opened fire on Iraqi soldiers, prompting fierce fighting in the narrow streets and alleys of one of the capital's oldest neighborhoods, a Sunni insurgent stronghold and a haven for criminals on the east side of the Tigris River. At least two civilians were killed and four others were wounded in the clashes, police said, as U.S. attack helicopters buzzed overhead. Four U.S. soldiers were killed and two others were wounded, according to a statement, when an explosion struck their patrol in Diyala province, a religiously mixed area that has seen fierce fighting in recent months. A roadside bomb also killed a soldier and wounded two others as they were checking for bombs on a road in northwestern Baghdad, the military said. Thousands of U.S. reinforcements have been sent to the capital and surrounding areas to help the Iraqis tame the spiraling sectarian violence that flared after the bombing of a Shiite mosque in Samarra more than a year ago. Sunday's deaths raise to at least 3,239 the members of the U.S. military who have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003 |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 28, 2007 11:18:09 GMT -5
Typical lefty warped rhetoric. BS How does a rant about US casualties in Iraq, victims of illegal actions of bandits who target civilians as well, count as proof that POTUS is a baby killer. That is like the IPCC citing computer models as proof that history is wrong, Ice cores at both poles aswell, and the Medieval Warming never happened.  |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 28, 2007 19:37:09 GMT -5
Typical lefty warped rhetoric. BS How does a rant about US casualties in Iraq, victims of illegal actions of bandits who target civilians as well, count as proof that POTUS is a baby killer. . You consider an article by By Kim Gamel from Associated Press about 5 American kids dieing in Iraq a rant? You are a sick person I would say These 5 died for no reason AT ALL. Moron sent them to their death. Moron is a BABY KILLER Whatever the OTHER SIDE does has nothing to do with what MORON is doing. And in the event you care ( which you obviously do not) The number of young Americand bush has sent to their death is now 3244 This number does not include the kids so severly wounded that they may as well be dead. 19 year old boys with their ****s and balls blown off. But why would you care ay? |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 29, 2007 0:39:01 GMT -5
As part of that group who put themselves in harms way to guarantee you your freedom of speech which you so blatantly abuse......I take big exception to your post. The bad guys are the killers of babies and our grunts. POTUS is not a killer nor is his foreign policy. How would you feel if a terrorist had set of a nuke in one of our cities which had been built in Iraq?  ? That won't happen now because Saddam had to pack it up and ship it to Iran. Are you really that comfortable with the ayatollahs having control of nukes? |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 29, 2007 20:12:17 GMT -5
How would you feel if a terrorist had set of a nuke in one of our cities which had been built in Iraq? ? That won't happen now because Saddam had to pack it up and ship it to Iran. Are you really that comfortable with the ayatollahs having control of nukes? Holy smokes.What are you babbling about now. The only nukes in Iran were supplied by the Americans. America did not supply nukes to Iraq, thus they had none. America only supplied chemical weapons to Iraq He and it most definitly are and is I take exception to your approval of the continued occupation of Iraq by America which has resulted in the death of over 3200 young American lives that you also seem to approve of |
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Post by antiyank on Mar 30, 2007 10:13:11 GMT -5
How would you feel if a terrorist had set of a nuke in one of our cities which had been built in Iraq? ? That won't happen now because Saddam had to pack it up and ship it to Iran. Are you really that comfortable with the ayatollahs having control of nukes? Holy smokes.What are you babbling about now. The only nukes in Iran were supplied by the Americans. America did not supply nukes to Iraq, thus they had none. America only supplied chemical weapons to Iraq He and it most definitely are and is I take exception to your approval of the continued occupation of Iraq by America which has resulted in the death of over 3200 young American lives that you also seem to approve of The yanks have a long history of sticking their nose's in many place's where it was not wanted. They hide behind the "National Security" phrase to justify any of their actions. |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 30, 2007 18:14:08 GMT -5
post a verifiable, genuine link not just someother A-hole shooting his mouth off. The last guy who said that, had to admit he made his links up. France and USSR supplied the Iraqui's. I suppose you are suggesting the US supplied Saddam with Russian radar, aircraft including helos, artillery, tanks, AAA......... The USA is/was much too paranoid to supply Iran with anything remotely nuclear. An embargo on materials neccessary such as maranging steel of example for decades. |
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Post by ladybug on Mar 30, 2007 18:18:00 GMT -5
The yanks have a long history of sticking their nose's in many place's where it was not wanted. They hide behind the "National Security" phrase to justify any of their actions. The Americans not only encouraged Iran to go nuclear , the helped them obtain the equipment and supplied the Uranium themselves to Iran That same equipment and the American supplied uranium is what , so the Americans say, is being used to create a bomb. Who can forget the unforgetable pic of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam, after they inked a deal for America to supply Saddam with weapons, that included chem weapons |
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 31, 2007 0:48:03 GMT -5
The USA stuck their nose into WW2 after pearl harbour and Hitler declared War on the US. The USA stuck their nose into Korea under US auspices after North Korea attacked South Korea. The USA stuck their nose into South Vietnam after NVA invaded covertly pretending to be VC. NATO stuck their nose into the former Yugoslavia to end genocidal war and ethnic cleansing. NATO stuck their nose into Afghanistan after 911 for good and proper reason. Saddam's Iraq was a threat to Global peace having already invaded two neighboring countries and using WMD and developing more. The former USSR had a vast record of intervening and interfering, causing war and revolution....to no good end. |
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