Christians ??

[meg]

Why do Christians get their knickers in a bind when they find out you are a card carrying "Atheist" ?
I could care less if a Christian is a Christian but they feel its their responsibility to call you out on it and make a big deal out of it. Why can't Christians just mind their own damn business ?
This has always bugged me to no end.

[sasquatch]

Yes!

It is somewhat annoying but this new religion of Global Warming is just as annoying and like Christianity can only rely upon blind faith and ignorance.

[meg]

I have nothing against religion but must they always stick their noses in where not wanted ??

[Snoopy]

meg said:

I have nothing against religion but must they always stick their noses in where not wanted ??

If they didn't stick their nose's in your business how would they save your soul ??

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

snoopy said:

If they didn't stick their nose's in your business how would they save your soul ??

I have a solution for getting rid of the religious freekos who try to convert me.

When they come to my door I tell them I am "Shopping" for a religion to be associated with.. This of course gets them very excited ( this is confirmed by the puddle of PEE which appears on the ground when they think they a a new one to convert).

I then ask them which religion has the best GOD.

This usually shuts them up but if they say that all religions have the same GOD then I ask why so many religious people are killing each other.

When they stumble and studder I tell them that the real truth is that there is no GOD.

They now leave believing there is no hope for me.

They of course are correct as no one will ever convince me of the existence of a being which creates so much misery on this earth.

Seems you aren't above trying to convert others to Athiesm. Who says God created so much misery on the Earth? Every religion I have ever heard of believes in God granting free will, and the subsequent misery being the product of our decisions.

Athiests it seems don't like the concept of responsibility that the free will philosophy implies.

This usually shuts them up but if they say that all religions have the same GOD then I ask why so many religious people are killing each other.

Humans love killing each other. Your fellow Athiests Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot all joined in the fun sans Dieu.

Whats wrong with killing each other? There is no God so what makes any moral absolute? War and butchery making little athiests wet themselves because they are afraid of what happens after death makes YOU uncomfortable. You aren't God, so your fears and feelings don't run the universe.

If Atheism is the antithesis of religion, lose the rules and the blind faith that there is No God. A real no religious type doesn't care.

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

snoopy said:

If they didn't stick their nose's in your business how would they save your soul ??

I have a solution for getting rid of the religious freekos who try to convert me.

When they come to my door I tell them I am "Shopping" for a religion to be associated with.. This of course gets them very excited ( this is confirmed by the puddle of PEE which appears on the ground when they think they a a new one to convert).

I then ask them which religion has the best GOD.

This usually shuts them up but if they say that all religions have the same GOD then I ask why so many religious people are killing each other.

When they stumble and studder I tell them that the real truth is that there is no GOD.

They now leave believing there is no hope for me.

They of course are correct as no one will ever convince me of the existence of a being which creates so much misery on this earth.

Seems you aren't above trying to convert others to Athiesm. Who says God created so much misery on the Earth? Every religion I have ever heard of believes in God granting free will, and the subsequent misery being the product of our decisions.

Athiests it seems don't like the concept of responsibility that the free will philosophy implies.

This usually shuts them up but if they say that all religions have the same GOD then I ask why so many religious people are killing each other.

Humans love killing each other. Your fellow Athiests Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot all joined in the fun sans Dieu.

Whats wrong with killing each other? There is no God so what makes any moral absolute? War and butchery making little athiests wet themselves because they are afraid of what happens after death makes YOU uncomfortable. You aren't God, so your fears and feelings don't run the universe.

If Atheism is the antithesis of religion, lose the rules and the blind faith that there is No God. A real no religious type doesn't care.

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

homeandnativeland said:

Seems you aren't above trying to convert others to Athiesm. Who says God created so much misery on the Earth? Every religion I have ever heard of believes in God granting free will, and the subsequent misery being the product of our decisions.

Athiests it seems don't like the concept of responsibility that the free will philosophy implies.



Humans love killing each other. Your fellow Athiests Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot all joined in the fun sans Dieu.

Whats wrong with killing each other? There is no God so what makes any moral absolute? War and butchery making little athiests wet themselves because they are afraid of what happens after death makes YOU uncomfortable. You aren't God, so your fears and feelings don't run the universe.

If Atheism is the antithesis of religion, lose the rules and the blind faith that there is No God. A real no religious type doesn't care.

I don't give a flicking crap what you believe. I have no interest at all in converting you or anyone else into believing what I know to be the truth.

That is: There is NO GOD and where you have weak minded sheep believing in religion you have murder, war , Killing and the rape and mistreatment of women and kids.

So believe what you want as NOTHING you can possibly say will change my mind. ;D

If you didn't care what I believe you wouldn't be so passionate arguing with me.

Typical "Boo hoo, some Priest molested me, now I hate all religion."

You are also avoided this part of my post

Humans love killing each other. Your fellow Athiests Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot all joined in the fun

If you are going to accuse Theists of such things, bring your intellect with you. A reply to this is in order.

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

gopher said:

...the bible is full of it , and jesus was no angel either !!

Seems everybody's Bible is full of these instructions to Kill, Rape Pillage, and mess with kids and women. Or at least the control freaks that run the religions interpret their books as commanding their people to indulge in these antisocial activities.

And by the way who is this person jesus? Heard his name a few times but never paid a lot of attention.

Just think about how really silly this religion crap is. Everyone seem to have a god. We will assume he is the same guy for everyone. If this is the case why does he insist in commanding his followers to kill others who believe in the same thing. Very flicking silly to me.

Seems everybody's Bible is full of these instructions to Kill, Rape Pillage, and mess with kids and women. Or at least the control freaks that run the religions interpret their books as commanding their people to indulge in these antisocial activities

Perhaps you could elaborate, qotes perhaps? SEEMS just doesn't cut it in a debate.

And by the way who is this person jesus? Heard his name a few times but never paid a lot of attention.

You're full of opinions on his ideas and don't even know who he is? Real intellectual stuff here!!

Just think about how really silly this religion crap is.

There is definitely some silliness in this thread.

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.....Pinoy64 , without getting all mad here , this is a honest question ,

" Do you believe that you have a soul "?


..I believe, I do , a soul/spirit . I believe that our souls change consistently through-out our life time as we age..They can go from good to bad , and vise-versa . You may call them our conscious , for we know everybody has one . Just because some-one does not believe in God as the almighty ( which I don't ) does not mean they don't believe in something .

...and as for Jesus ... he was supposed to have been God's son , who He had crucified ...nice eh !

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

gopher said:

.....Pinoy64 , without getting all mad here , this is a honest question ,

" Do you believe that you have a soul "?


..I believe, I do , a soul/spirit . I believe that our souls change consistently through-out our life time as we age..They can go from good to bad , and vise-versa . You may call them our conscious , for we know everybody has one . Just because some-one does not believe in God as the almighty ( with I don't ) does not mean they don't believe in something .

...and as for Jesus ... he was supposed to have been God's son , who He had crucified ...nice eh !

I have no concept of "Soul" so I have no idea if I believe I have one or not.

What I do know is if you try to live a good life being honest and good to other humans then you will do OK until the day you run out of steam and die.

I do not believe at that point I am going to some wonderful bright cheery brothel in the sky where I may have the chance to screw my life away with a bunch of Kids. I leave that belief to the Catholics and Muslims.

In the end all I know is that I am here and doing OK. I have no idea where I came from nor do I care. I see too many people worrying about that and in the end they waste too much time trying to find the answer and end up wishing they had had more time to do the important things in life.

For me, believe in what you want. I don't care as long as it does not effect my life. I sure as hell do care however when someones crummy third world belief decides my lifestyle is no good and they have to destroy it. That's when I become a racist anti religious prick.[/

I'm Ok with that.

[Deleted]

Thank-you for your response and I'll have to agree also , that as long as thier beliefs are not shoved down my throat we can live peacefully .. BUT , I can and will get nasty if need be .. Do not be telling my kids that this is wrong and they will surely go to hell if they don't go to church ... !!!!!
for if this is what your god is telling you ,may he have mercy on your soul .
I agree with living a good life and treating people in a way that is deserved
.. don't sweat the little things , because it's not worth it , hug your kids and if you love some-one tell them ... if your family/friends need help with something . do it , for the favour always returns ..
..Over the years I've been to fortune Tellers and have walked out wondering " How did they know that ?" I've had " Readings " and the same thing ... One will never know , but I guess some people have a knack for it .. Whether we choose to believe it or not is up to that person ..
..I think over our lifetime we have all experience the feeling of " having done or been there before " .. can't explain it , but it happens .
...just like the hairs on your arm or the back of the neck , raise and you get a chill of cold air ...
...there is so much out there that can not be explained and people tend to believe in what thier comfortable with ..

[Truthknut]

gopher said:

Thank-you for your response and I'll have to agree also , that as long as thier beliefs are not shoved down my throat we can live peacefully .. BUT , I can and will get nasty if need be .. Do not be telling my kids that this is wrong and they will surely go to hell if they don't go to church ... !!!!!
for if this is what your god is telling you ,may he have mercy on your soul .
I agree with living a good life and treating people in a way that is deserved
.. don't sweat the little things , because it's not worth it , hug your kids and if you love some-one tell them ... if your family/friends need help with something . do it , for the favour always returns ..
..Over the years I've been to fortune Tellers and have walked out wondering " How did they know that ?" I've had " Readings " and the same thing ... One will never know , but I guess some people have a knack for it .. Whether we choose to believe it or not is up to that person ..
..I think over our lifetime we have all experience the feeling of " having done or been there before " .. can't explain it , but it happens .
...just like the hairs on your arm or the back of the neck , raise and you get a chill of cold air ...
...there is so much out there that can not be explained and people tend to believe in what thier comfortable with ..

This is up to interpretation, either by religion or personal preference.

Your morals and sense of good may not be the same as mine.

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

homeandnativeland said:

This is up to interpretation, either by religion or personal preference.

Your morals and sense of good may not be the same as mine.

What do you mean that being nice and treating people well is up to interpretation. This is the trouble with too may people these days. Everything has to be micro- analyzed so that they appear to have something important to say.

Bottom line on gophers post is "Good for you, great way to act" It is that simple,,,nothing more to say.. Sorry to cut your posting day short but any further analysis is just flicking anal.

You have analyzed peoples choice in religion.

The trouble with too may people these days is that they are idiots. You have ranted about there is no God, then gone on to comment on "right and wrong". Right and wrong are inventions of RELIGION!! Otherwise they are figments of your imagination. Mere perception. Bin Laden, Stalin, Hitler all think/thought they were doing "good". Who are any of us individuals to determine "good" or "evil"? Who made an idiot like you the last word on good and evil? If you're God, I'm now and athiest.

That's not being anal, that's being capable of thought.

Engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear.

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

homeandnativeland said:

You have analyzed peoples choice in religion.

The trouble with too may people these days is that they are idiots. You have ranted about there is no God, then gone on to comment on "right and wrong". Right and wrong are inventions of RELIGION!! Otherwise they are figments of your imagination. Mere perception. Bin Laden, Stalin, Hitler all think/thought they were doing "good". Who are any of us individuals to determine "good" or "evil"? Who made an idiot like you the last word on good and evil? If you're God, I'm now and athiest.

That's not being anal, that's being capable of thought.

Engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear.

Right and wrog in the most basic sense has nothing to do with religion. If I wack you on the head you know I have done something bad. If you fall down and someone helps you up that has nothing to do with religion. God,,whoever he may be , never suggested that it is his written law that I would help you. Sure the bible mentions things you can do to be nice to people but common sense made us do that long before the GOD guy got someone to write the book.

I saw two little birds trying to help one of their own who was injured by a car. Did GOD tell them to do this I think not.

And anyway as I have always said. Believe what you want,,,I don't flicken care. As long as your beliefs have NO effect on my life you are free to do what you want. Go ahead have a ball and enjoy yourself.

You don't respect others beliefs. Don't pretend to. You've started a whole thread to accuse a religious group of harassment.
Many of us don't care about you. We're right, you burn in hell, your'e right, we get ripped off royally. Who cares?

It is just common sense. If you smile at me on the street I feel good.

"When you wish upon a star"?? Walt Disney's dead!! How can and adult us such trite fluff in a debate?

I saw two little birds trying to help one of their own who was injured by a car. Did GOD tell them to do this I think not.

Perhaps they were just going to eat him. Waste not, want not. Now THAT is good. Is this your best work? You haven't given any rationale for what makes this good. These are things that make YOU feel good. Are you a 'God' (perhaps in your own mind.)

Dead Jews make Nazi's feel good. Stalin believed the eradication of those opposing the proletariat utopia was good. Do you really think evil is done by those intentionally seeking evil? Life is not a Disney Movie.

And anyway as I have always said. Believe what you want,,,I don't flicken care. As long as your beliefs have NO effect on my life you are free to do what you want. Go ahead have a ball and enjoy yourself.

Then why do you attack the religious with your baseless accusations? You don't really respect my right to believe what I want, you just have no evidence to support your OPINIONS and wish to shrug me off.

Now, what is GOOD or EVIL? Not what do you THINK is good or evil?

I think your ignorance and intellectual ineptitude are the cause of evil, but that is only opinion, and therefore inadmissable.

Anal? Yes, I have ANALyzed.

[Deleted]

...PLEASE .... DEBATE NICELY ...

We all have our opinions and beliefs and don't bicker over this ...

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

homeandnativeland said:

You don't respect others beliefs. Don't pretend to. You've started a whole thread to accuse a religious group of harassment.
Many of us don't care about you. We're right, you burn in hell, your'e right, we get ripped off royally. Who cares?

"When you wish upon a star"?? Walt Disney's dead!! How can and adult us such trite fluff in a debate?


Perhaps they were just going to eat him. Waste not, want not. Now THAT is good. Is this your best work? You haven't given any rationale for what makes this good. These are things that make YOU feel good. Are you a 'God' (perhaps in your own mind.)

Dead Jews make Nazi's feel good. Stalin believed the eradication of those opposing the proletariat utopia was good. Do you really think evil is done by those intentionally seeking evil? Life is not a Disney Movie.



Then why do you attack the religious with your baseless accusations? You don't really respect my right to believe what I want, you just have no evidence to support your OPINIONS and wish to shrug me off.

Now, what is GOOD or EVIL? Not what do you THINK is good or evil?

I think your ignorance and intellectual ineptitude are the cause of evil, but that is only opinion, and therefore inadmissable.

Anal? Yes, I have ANALyzed.

I respect you right to believe what you want but I DO NOT respect what you believe. To me it is ALL B.S. but if it makes you feel good to believe then go ahead. I will still say it has no meaning,, at least to me.

Like too dam many religious people you feel you have some GOD given right to expect that everyone will respect what you believe. but you are wrong. If you have a problem with what I write don't read my posts and don't reply. To me it is obvious to an idiot that that would be the best approach. And by not bothering to reply you could spend more time thinking about what is important to you.

After all what I say and believe is MY RIGHT. If you don't like it, tough, bottom line is I don't care what you think.....

You shot your beak off first, I replied. I don't care what you believe. It's your blatant ignorance and assumption that your values and perceptions are absolute without any viable argument to support them.

Notice it's not Gopher I'm arguing with?

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...ok you 2 .. I'm to little to be between you both .. I'll have to break out the whips here ...

...Accept the fact that there are differences between you ... and myself ...
.. I may not believe the same as ..for example Truthy , but I don't think I have discredited His beliefs ... I believe that through dialect you may be surprised that we actually agree on some things ..

... I have no idea what , if any faiths you believe in but if your going to cut some-one down , I know it's not nice ... and THATS my Dads' teaching ..

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

gopher said:

...ok you 2 .. I'm to little to be between you both .. I'll have to break out the whips here ...

...Accept the fact that there are differences between you ... and myself ...
.. I may not believe the same as ..for example Truthy , but I don't think I have discredited His beliefs ... I believe that through dialect you may be surprised that we actually agree on some things ..

... I have no idea what , if any faiths you believe in but if your going to cut some-one down , I know it's not nice ... and THATS my Dads' teaching ..

I have always said that I believe anyone is free to believe what they like,,,INCLUDING me. My position on any form of religion is that it is bad for society in general and basically there is no proof that the supreme being referred to as GOD actually exists.

I am not trying to discredit anyone's beliefs but in this day in age it seems if you do not agree with people on certain subjects you are trying to discredit them.

I would suggest that if Truthy is truly serious about his/her beliefs there should be an effort to counter my point of view with a positive argument where he/she would demonstrate why the belief is valid rather than just the usual stuff about believing because you are told to by some book.

My experience however is that there are few arguments which support the religious position because it is not based on any form of reality.

And by the way is this not an Atheists Forum ?? What point of view do you think will be expressed here ??

I haven't even got into "the book". Problem with your type of Athiest is all you can comprehend is Religion or Athiesm.

What about a God (higher being, Alien whatever) that Religion doesn't understand?

I don't care what you believe, just don't give me the 'good and evil' BS until you can prove good and evil exist in any realm other than 'feelings'. Baby birds la de da doesn't cut it.

Now, do we have any Neitchzean (or however it's spelled) Athiests on board (there is no God therefore no moral values exist)?

WHERE DO MORALS COME FROM? WHAT MAKES RIGHT AND WRONG??

[Deleted]

ok ..see your point , here on morals .. My parents were church goers , so I guess I got my morals from the church through them ..I was dragged along as a kid , Sunday School . and did not like it much .. my grandmother was very heavy in the church .. so at that age I had no choice ..

...But now I have to many questions and not enough proof of his existence .. .
.. priests molesting children
.. heads of churches committing adultery and sometimes murder
.. lying
.. if there is to be no other god , then why so many different religions ?
...why innocent little children , who don't even know right from wrong , die such horrible deaths to diseases ?

... I guess this is why I question the presence of a god

[🍁 CDN 🍁]

Its called life my dear and we all question it sooner or later.

[Truthknut]

gopher said:

ok ..see your point , here on morals .. My parents were church goers , so I guess I got my morals from the church through them ..I was dragged along as a kid , Sunday School . and did not like it much .. my grandmother was very heavy in the church .. so at that age I had no choice ..

...But now I have to many questions and not enough proof of his existence .. .
.. priests molesting children
.. heads of churches committing adultery and sometimes murder
.. lying
.. if there is to be no other god , then why so many different religions ?
...why innocent little children , who don't even know right from wrong , die such horrible deaths to diseases ?

... I guess this is why I question the presence of a god

The actions of clergy don't prove there is or isn't a god. If you were my employer and I was selling dope on the job, you would still exist.

.. if there is to be no other god , then why so many different religions ?

This is a great question and which does discredit established religions.

...why innocent little children , who don't even know right from wrong , die such horrible deaths to diseases ?

These diseases are NOT the works of man, therefore questioning the "Free will reaps consequences theory". This does put the idea of a benevolent God to the test. This is what I've been getting at.

[Truthknut]

pinoy64 said:

gopher said:

ok ..see your point , here on morals .. My parents were church goers , so I guess I got my morals from the church through them ..I was dragged along as a kid , Sunday School . and did not like it much .. my grandmother was very heavy in the church .. so at that age I had no choice ..

...But now I have to many questions and not enough proof of his existence .. .
.. priests molesting children
.. heads of churches committing adultery and sometimes murder
.. lying
.. if there is to be no other god , then why so many different religions ?
...why innocent little children , who don't even know right from wrong , die such horrible deaths to diseases ?

... I guess this is why I question the presence of a god

It does not matter if you believe in the existence of the Big Guy or not. I am sure I am just as secure in my belief he does not exist as other are in believing he does exist. This is NOT an issue of right or wrong, just a simple acceptance of what you believe. Just because a huge # of people believe in something called GOD does not mean they are right. Trouble is that there is always a battle between the believers and the non believers that always seems to result in bloodshed or abuse of people,,,in particular women.

For instance look at how women are treated badly in religion: The muzzies keep them covered all the time and make them pray away from their men. The Orthodox Jews do the same. And what about the Catholics that won't let a woman have a high position in the church. Frankly I cannot understand why women have ANY belief in some religions.

Thanks anyway but I have no time for any organization which abuses half of their members.
But in the end as I have said many times,,,,believe what you want,,,it is your right in Canada.

Half of their members? You spew out idiotic baseless accusations and get upset when your exposed as a fool?

Could an intelligent Athiest please interject? This fellow is doing nothing for you.

BTW, great Athiest institutions like the Communist parties weren't exactly famous for their treatment of others.

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... I think every generation is progressively getting better , here in North America anyways .. We have laws to protect them and so many different cultures and mix-marriages , they look around and see they don't have to live this way .. The younger ones are not carrying on the same traditions as did there grandparents . People have given up their faith and traditions in order to marry . Maybe its a form of " shunning " . The kids that are born from that marriage will then be less apt to carry on there fore-fathers traditions .
But in countries where the " Old Ways " still rule , there are serious problems ..
... World agencies have there hands tied , because this is thier culture and way of life .. Just like 11 yr old boys training for battle . they will and do fire upon thier enemies including Canadians and Americans soldiers..

[vulcana]

I believe that whether one holds religious beliefs or not is irrelevant; I believe it should be a personal thing. Religious or athiest misses the point for me: We will never know for certain during this life. I cannot control the fact that I am going to die some day. But regardless of what some christians seem to think, I CAN control what I do today. And tomorrow. I CAN control how I live my life. I intend to make the world a better place in this time that I have. Spirit, and all is fine, but I quite like this physical body. I quite like feeling the sun on my shoulders, and the wind in my face. Is that really such a bad thing? Instead of saying 'Christ is coming soon! We're all going to be taken at once, and everyone else are going to be left to earth to destroy themselves!" Believe what you want. The danger I see with that point of view is if you believe there is no hope for mankind, that they are destroying themselves, then you are contributing to the problem by the very act of doing nothing. If mankind has free will, then he has the ability to change course, to develop better forms of government which will save humanity from a nuclear holocaust. Christians seem to focus only on the negative aspects of humanity; how pathetic we are, and sinful. Yes - we're HUMAN. We also did things like create the pyramids, and stonehenge and the great wall of china. We are capable of great things! We must realize the good that we are capable of before it's too late.

[sasquatch]

Theologically one of the novel things about our time is the phenomina of the two secular faiths which threaten all other faiths and indeed humanity.
Socialism in the 20th century became a secular religion for it's adherants---killing millions in it's various manifestations....as the current administration with it's messiah complex indicates it is far from dead.
This environmentalist/warmist/CO2 alarmist cult has all the hallmarks of a religion, with, as evidenced by the Hadley CRU leak, unscrupulous adherants willing to falsify, distort, and extort.
It seems this second secular religion is just a manifestation of the socialist agenda, using climate alarmism as a vehicle to seize NWO socialism based upon the UN.
This Hadley CRU scandal has the potential to bring down governments and politically frustrate this underground attempted global puchtsh/coup.
Time will tell. The MSM media has attempted to ignore/suppress this event but then bear in mind the MSM is as much a part of the plot as the SS and Gestapo were accomplices of the National Socialist Party (NAZIs) in Germany.

[Truthknut]

Nov 24, 2009 13:32:26 GMT -5 @sasquatch said:

Theologically one of the novel things about our time is the phenomina of the two secular faiths which threaten all other faiths and indeed humanity.
Socialism in the 20th century became a secular religion for it's adherants---killing millions in it's various manifestations....as the current administration with it's messiah complex indicates it is far from dead.
This environmentalist/warmist/CO2 alarmist cult has all the hallmarks of a religion, with, as evidenced by the Hadley CRU leak, unscrupulous adherants willing to falsify, distort, and extort.
It seems this second secular religion is just a manifestation of the socialist agenda, using climate alarmism as a vehicle to seize NWO socialism based upon the UN.
This Hadley CRU scandal has the potential to bring down governments and politically frustrate this underground attempted global puchtsh/coup.
Time will tell. The MSM media has attempted to ignore/suppress this event but then bear in mind the MSM is as much a part of the plot as the SS and Gestapo were accomplices of the National Socialist Party (NAZIs) in Germany.

Exactly!!

Good ol' White Anglo Saxon style Protestantism has been the most progressive religion of all time.

All races welcome to apply!!