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Post by sasquatch on Jun 30, 2007 13:38:33 GMT -5
What I foind absolutely amazing is the scope and extent of this public relations agenda based upon science fiction. How did these whachos gain such an almost total grip on the MSM and academia? This did not happen overnight. In the past folk such as myself were ridiculed about watching for reds under our beds.......now the Cold war is ended it is readily apparent that they were indeen under our beds. Same usual suspects......or didn't anyone notice. The only left-wing whacho missing from the roster of prominent CO2 AGW proponents is Michael Moore.....howcum?  |
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Post by sasquatch on Jul 1, 2007 12:58:24 GMT -5
Those links of Lurks are first rate. Last night, in a fit of something I googled "the Great Glaobal Warming Swindle". It was merely a pile of rebuttals by the CO2 AGW/KYOTO crowd. It was a sad litany of accusations of EXXON funded scepticism, references to the IPCC and it's contrived fabricated science fiction, and even the dreaded 'hockey stick" was trotted out as proof that the BBC documentary was false propaganda. The same long discredited BS was trotted out, again and again. The one site which was interesting was an academic paper on the origins of the IPCC and it's politics, represented as "science". Basically a few clever (give credit were due) activists (such as Strong) managed to get this weird entity funded and launched which is outside overview/control of national governments or even the UN. The one phenomina I still seek an explaination for is the almost absolute, total support of the media for this unfounded hysteria. The media has likely long burned the files on how that was accomplished.  |
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Post by lurk on Jul 2, 2007 0:01:24 GMT -5
I think the media jumps on the theory as fact, just because hysteria sells. Have you seen those sites the pro-guys go to now to be taught how to debate the anti side on the internet? I guess they got tired of getting their asses kicked, so they train now on how to baffle with bull shyte. It's handy to know about these sites, so one doesn't get surprised. I've seen them quoting these arguments almost word for word lately. Here's one... How to debate a Global Warming Skeptic |
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Post by sasquatch on Jul 2, 2007 11:00:36 GMT -5
Yes indeed...."know your enemy is important..... However, most of their proposed tactics amount to defending BS with more BS. Their most successful ploy is the pat declaration that "the debate is over", the science is in and "the science is firm". I encountered a fellow a few days back, who was so convinced....until I gave him a link to "the Great Global Warming Swindle". The resulting epiphany is a clear indication of the CO2 AGW crowd's hysterical reaction to it. However they have inadvertantly provided us with a possible chink in their defence...... Al Gore wants to hear from you! Get your environmental questions answered live, in an exclusive online webcast moderated by Simran Sethi, environmental journalist from Sundance Channel's "The Green" on July 5th at 1:30 p.m. Eastern. Let them know we are not all duped.  |
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Post by lurk on Jul 2, 2007 12:25:44 GMT -5
Yes indeed...."know your enemy is important..... However, most of their proposed tactics amount to defending BS with more BS. Too true. I love that one they do when you ask them to support their statement such and such is scientifically proven, and they give you a link to another site where another lefty AGW advocate is saying it's scientifically proven. This of course actually proves the sum total of squat. Or then there's the one where they've been challenged on something which contradicts them, so somebody goes out and creates a computer model to challenge the facts. For example they have a hard time explaining why they make such a fuss about human caused CO2 when it makes up such a small percentage of greenhouse gases. Recently someone created a computer model showing how even though it works out to less than a percent it's actually more like 30 when you add certain factors, and exclude others. Or they try to baffle you with back tracking on their original claims, or making the lines of their original argument more fuzzy. They've been trying to make the hockey stick graph sound credible again with that technique. Another one is that idea of Gore's that CO2 drives climate, rather than the other way around. Now they're saying that because the climate stays hot for such a long time once it gets hot this somehow still proves CO2 affects climate. |
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Post by sasquatch on Jul 18, 2007 11:52:50 GMT -5
Pinoy64 Yeah that again! It's sorta like National Geographic and WWF getting caught in the open, howling about melting glaciers in the Pami/Himalaya region.....without knowing a blue-ribbon team of european glaciologists had been watching the GROWTH of the glaciers for a decade. Tuvalu, that Pacific island, that Gore said was flooding, while modern tidal guages installed by the aussie in the 60's showed dropping sea levels......same for the Maldives..... But it gets better...... Somebody found a Canadian Fisheries and Oceans website and spread the news before the swivell servants took it ofline. Apparently, sealevel in Halifax has remained stable for over a decade, and St. Johns, St. John, Churchill, Vancouver have all shown a decline of 2cm/year in the last decade.  |
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Post by lurk on Jul 19, 2007 11:45:23 GMT -5
Speaking of AGW advocates, have you been following this feud that's developing between Robert F Kenndy Jr. and Glen Beck? It developed out of THIS speech Jr. gave at the Live Aid concert (otherwise known as Gorefest, because Al Gore put it on). Anyway it was a good rabble rousing speach where Kennedy said people like Beck should be put on trial for treason, and charged as traitors for speaking against global warming. Unfortunately for Kennedy he made the ill-conceived, blunder of agreeing to appear on Beck's show to defend his statements, and was revealed as a pompous jackass with no real facts to back up his statements. HERE'S a clip from that little interchange. It misses the best part though where Beck came back from the break after having a chance to research Jr's claims. Kennedy had offered a definition of facist he claimed came from the American Heritage Dictionary. Beck read the actual defintion. It was nothing like Kennedy's interpretation. In fact when Beck read it he underlined parts that made the definition sound like it applied more to Kennedy. He also pointed out only the summary of the IPCC report was out, so how could Kennedy have read it from cover to cover as he claimed. Then Beck read scientist John Christy's credentials including the fact he was lead writer of the IPCC report Kennedy had been touting as the new bible. Kennedy had been lambasting Christy as an oil financed fraud. You kind of had to see the whole thing. It was great. |
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Post by sasquatch on Aug 9, 2007 11:43:55 GMT -5
My daddy said a liar needs a damn good head-piece.
First he has to remember the truth as well as the lie.
Then he must remember the lie he told to support the first lie and so on.
It not so much that I am honest but lying is such a chore.......
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Post by sasquatch on Aug 25, 2007 9:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by lurk on Aug 26, 2007 3:42:12 GMT -5
Loved that one about Global Warming as religion. The essay it links to is just beautiful. Every paragraph in it is quotable. In fact if a person was only going to read one thing from that list of links I'd suggest this one. Global Warming as Religion Essay |
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Post by lurk on Aug 29, 2007 15:47:24 GMT -5
Sasquatch: I was reading that little GW debate you're involved in at CKA. They seem to have 2 arguments. Anyone who disagrees with them is a bad, and wrong thinking person, and they have the consensus, so they win. On the first one I can't help you, (I call it the poophead argument, because anyone who disagrees is a poophead. In the long run it doesn't work, so why worry about it), but on the second, have you seen this one? scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/monckton/consensus.pdfThe guy shows how the claim of consensus as far as peer reviewed articles goes is fraudulent. I hope that isn't the article you were trying to link to with the last link on the previous page. That one's a dead link, so I don't know what it was. |
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Post by sasquatch on Sept 4, 2007 21:58:41 GMT -5
Yeah I like that---poophead argument especially Rev Blare. I love spelling it Blare----folks generally really lose when they lose it--he's too easy.....
My current ploy really sends them spinning:
"WHAT WARMING?"
When they babble that 1998 and 1934 are only fractions of a degree apart---the response is so easy----"WHAT WARMING?".....
I am certainly having a good time.
Thanks to my past specialty "psyops" I can smell a "psyops" so easilly, which is really what this CO2 AGW/KYOTO thing really was. My associates inform me that the mechanism involved is now very closely studied. It really was an act of war.....
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 5, 2007 9:10:34 GMT -5
An update on the "bali Conference". The alarmists are carrying on as if nothing happened and the IPCC BS is gospel. Our local enviro-nuts are spouting the same sh*t and vilifying harper as isolated.
Conveniently overlooking that the US, Japan and Australia still insist India/China share the pain. Yeah good luck on that.
Dion is crying because he isn't part of the delegation. What other nation/government takes their opposition with them. I greatly doubt australia has included Howard.
Today the head UN enviro-nut decreeded that the dress code would be leisure suits without ties.....to adapt to the hot/humid climate......HELLO.....it's not GW it's the $%^&* equator.
Meanwhile the delegates jets had to disperse, empty, to other islands to free up Bali's limited parking for aircraft.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 7, 2007 11:15:49 GMT -5
Not much has emerged re the great conference in Bali, besides many references to "the denial machine."
Oddly enough the "denial press" has commented on the frequency in which delegates speeches have referred to such outdated falacies such as 20 ft sea level rise and Antarctic melting despite the IPCC's latest prediction of mere inches sea level rather than feet in the next century.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 11, 2007 16:37:47 GMT -5
The events of the Bali conference get more and more bizarre.
Australia's new enviro-minister announces Australia's new stance of ratifying the KYOTO treaty, only to have the new Oz PM reject it as too costly later in the day. Net result Oz has joined Canada, US, Japan etc in demanding all nations bitting the bullet.
Today, the host Indonesia, accused the Annex 1 nations of being stingy, in that Annex 3 nations such as Indonesia should be paid for NOT razing their rain forests. He expressed the expectation that Indonesia would receive at least $10 billion in cash payments.
The IPCC propaganda released another study somehow proving that Greenland was melting at a record rate-----despite 1941 being Greenland's warmest year in over a century of temperature records.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 14, 2007 15:41:21 GMT -5
AGW A RELIGION?
The Pope had his January earthday speech released early and distributed through the BALI conference. He denounces AGW as unfounded, baseless hysteria..........the debate is NOW over.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 15, 2007 12:33:58 GMT -5
Bali conference ended with a unanimous agreement.
No hard targets for Annex 1 (developed nations), no carbon credit extortion, mearely an agreement to negotiate....in 2009.
It would seem the position harper took at Nairobi prevailed in BALI.........the AGW swindle has been hobbled.
Data suppressed by the IPCC.........Global temperature (whatever that is) has been stable or declined since 1998 according to one criteria. According to another criteria....it has been declining since 1979.
The alarmists dismissed as a short term anomoly----an argument which will be useless by 2009.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 16, 2007 0:42:57 GMT -5
Pinoy
I could not agree more. There are huge reserves in the oil sands and "oil shale" in Wyoming. There are huge deposits in a sandstone formation under SE Alberta, S Saskatchewan, N Dakota and Montana. Except for the oil sands these reserve are extremely difficult to recover. Technology is making progress. Un contiplated oil reserves continue to be discovered in unlikely places but the cost of recovery is high.
Just maintain clean air though an alternative must be developed.
Windmills are a farce----4X times more costly in dollars and resource to install and high maintainence.
undeveloped Hydro-resources are limited.
Breeder reactors are promising--with the bonus of eliminating waste from current reactors for fuel----the eco-nuts hysterically oppose the nuclear option.
Just because the wingnuts failed in Bali, does not we have heard the last of them......remember their tree hugging stopped the culling that allowed the Mountain Pine Beetle to rage through BC----which they now try to blame on GW----as if Dawson Creek has even failed to get colder than the hubs of hell.
A closed season should be opened for a month in the spring to thin out the eco-nuts. Perhaps a bounty......
Remember the GW's are in favour of population control...
As far as multi-nationals you have no idea. Royal Dutch Shell had security in Indonesia to guard their assets which was a de facto private army. I know I was part of it. It had been rumoured we could over-throw the government. When Col Suharto wanted to knock of Sukarno----we did....And Col suharto became Gen Suharto.....and out bid Shell for our services to tune up his military. It was profitable business.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 17, 2007 20:51:37 GMT -5
Yeah multiculturalism is another can of worms. The bright side is that more and more of us are more sympathetic to the Quebcois attempt to preserve THEIR language and culture.
Addressing the population matter. Close examination of GW theory----at least the theory of how to control something that doesn't exist----reveals that while KYOTO will devastate our economies---in the the third world it will actually result in a body count in the millions. Preventing development in the third world will make the sad death toll from banning DDT seem small beer.
The achitect of KYOTO, Maurice Stronach has in the past, made population control one of his ambitions.
Enviro-nuts have an ideological agenda, the UN types seek global power, the Gores are merely greedy, activist scientist seek grant money and high pay but the very instigators seek to murder indirectly a vast mass of the third world's population. Without 1st world prosperity to fund it much 3rd world aid will evaporate---for example AIDs will go nuts.
GW's really avoid any questions relating to population. Although they will use "per-capital" to exagerate statistics.
By 2009, a whole decade of stable/dropping temperatures hopefully will deflate this boondoggle.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 17, 2007 22:12:57 GMT -5
Pinoy
Yes! Nearly as bad as the ignorance displyed by the mentality that anti-americanism is Canadian patriotism. Do not be surprised if the americans are largely indifferent to the GW nonsense. Despite the efforts of gore and the democrats the US electorate have not been stampeded like the CBC indoctrinated Canadians.
Actually the Dutch closely resemble the Germans, Ass-kickers without the pomp. The French are a study all their own....they quickly criticize the US for interveening, but interveen swifety without consultation in Africa. Indeed much of their criticizm is in defence of their huge arms industry's customers----and a long standing grudge about SUEZ----50 years ago. That and a petulance about losing their global inflence forever at Waterloo.
Having served in the ranks of the US, Indonesia, the legion and several years with the Soviets, I have less difficulty putting aside nationalistic notions and observing from a more pragmatic position.
Most Canadians are unaware of the absoluter luxury of living next to the US rather than Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Congo, Mexico...even France.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 18, 2007 12:37:38 GMT -5
Currently most of Canada's realities have remained largely unchanged for two centuries.
The relatity of exporting, which has slowly shifted from a priority to britain to the US market.
The geographical reality that central Canada is the fiscal and industrial heartland.
Western alienation. This is obvious not just on the prairies but in BC as well.
The political leanings of the west---either socialist or conservative induces the LIBRANO dominated east to regard any policy which "punishes the west" whether energy policy, KYOTO, or firearms control as desired.
The KYOTO goal of "shutting down the oil patch" is not helpful to unity. It seems the priority of KYOTO supporters is more to shut down the oil sands and cripple Alberta than any environmental considerations. Add a severe streak of anti-americanism and away you go.
Meanwhile Quebec is mulling it's options---pro KYOTO to injure TROC, anti-NATO to injure TROC and it's ally the US.
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Post by sasquatch on Dec 18, 2007 19:05:58 GMT -5
Pinoy
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About as long as a guy from IOWA, visiting the GTA, who has his tires slashed, by some indoctrinated fool who thinks all americans are evil and ignorant and dangerous.
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Post by sasquatch on Jan 4, 2008 12:09:31 GMT -5
Meanwhile back to The Great Global Warming Hoax.
Last night for whatever reason I watched the CBC 10 oclock news.
It featured a report on a "study" released by 7 Swedish "scientists". They did not appear but an enthusiastic young environmentalist gleefully delivered their message. He was so wound up, he was barely coherent in his obvious pleasure to announce this.
They announced they had "discovered" the climate mechanism that is melting the arctic. Their "research" indicates it is warm winds from the south, the effect enhanced by increased CO2 content.
I did a bit of research on this "crew". Apparently they never visited the arctic nor left Sweden. They produced no evidence of any arctic warming but merely referred to it.
Currently the early, severe onset of the arctic winter, and research on the Greenland temperatures and the ice-cap indicates that Greenland has experience cooling for about two decades and it's mass is increasing.
This "research" is just an op-ed by some students, relying on baseless assumptions, but represented by the activist CBC as valid science. They included unspecified video of an ice breaker in a sea littered with broken ice/slush.
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Post by sasquatch on Mar 29, 2008 9:10:55 GMT -5
In the last few days NASA announced that the Agos system it deployed in 2002 has revealed a mystery to them.
The Argos system is 3000 robot buoys scattered across the world oceans which have a neutral buoyancy so that they settle at 2000 ft down. periodically, week 10 days they surface slowly measuring temperatures etc and on the surface transmit this data to a satellite.
It is a mystery to NASA, because it has failed to detect any warming of the oceans and has detected what they term an "insignifigant" cooling........
It's a b*****d when they have an experiment they can't manipulate.
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Post by proudtobeadp on Apr 18, 2008 21:56:01 GMT -5
This global warming, resource depletion and this whole "green" thing is getting out of hand. I am not sorry to say when there is money and greed a plenty so is the loads of BS that are being spun for the sheep to swallow. Green is now as bad as corporate because its all from the same networked, intra and inter connected crookery! Paint me a redneck if you want to, real science unsupressed is being silenced by those who want to manipulate and make money on your backs and your fears. Being manipulated into fear is what Canada is all about in particular the 5% that is controlling through fear the other 95%! Enough said.  |
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Post by sasquatch on Aug 30, 2008 12:17:28 GMT -5
Arctic ice not melting----the handwringers were not lying to us...or were they? www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60Then there is this study, announcing that polar Bears now only have 1 cub instead of 3, and weaning has extended to 18 months from 12. The Canadian Polar Bear researchers employed by Nunivit have labled this as rubbish..... The study was by a grad student in Colorado, another baseless op-ed put forth as research..... The greenies dismiss the Canadian expert as biased..... |
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Post by sasquatch on Sept 5, 2008 23:49:46 GMT -5
Denmark is still a world leader in wind energy......manufacturing that is.....there are no more turbines being installed in Denmark......they produce so little power that the fossil fuel generators must be maintained on hot spin to back up the intermitant supply from all their heavilly subsidized bird dicers/eyesores.
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Post by sasquatch on Sept 8, 2008 17:52:24 GMT -5
Currently there are a lot of folk's upset about the "flashing", the eirie sounds disturbing their sleep and having to move.....
Just south of where i live is the Port Burwell wind farm/array of about 90 turbines. For amusment I ride down to look-----not once have I failed to witness a sh*thawk(seagull) transformed into a cloud of feathers. Aparently world-wide these things are killing lots of bats-----not from a direct hit but the sudden change in air-pressure as the blade passes.
Bird/Bat killing is a reality and not a myth.........
There are also complaints from livestock farmers of "stray voltage"......
This is just a side-issue....
The capital cost is 2-3 time nuclear and is intermitant requiring the same capacity fossil fueled generator on hot spinning standby 24/7 which just adds to the fixed and variable cost----and saves only a portion of fossil fuel----
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Post by sasquatch on Feb 14, 2009 15:22:09 GMT -5
The most recent malarky is that seepage from Alberta "tailings ponds" are polluting the underlying aquefer.......which is already naturally contaminated by the simple geology of being beneath oil sands......
Then there is the alleged oil polution of the Athebaska River......yet despite the whinning of the areas FNs......history has reports of the earliest explorers reporting oil seeping into the river from the banks and the locals using the bitumen as fuel and to caulk the seams of their canoes.........
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Post by sasquatch on Feb 14, 2009 15:32:01 GMT -5
pinoy64 short term.......DRILL BABY DRILL....... long term........NUCLEAR......... Now that wasn't difficult was it? Nuclear can be sited near the load and does not require the material, land and cost of long transmission lines......which also lose power due to resistance....... |
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